Full Transcript of Rense Fulford Interview
-HOUR ONE-
RENSE: I think we're up and
running here. A little rocky, the day after the fourth of
July, but I think we're connected to Japan.
This is going to be
interesting. An awful lot of email has been coming in about
the story from Dr. Henry Makow, Ph.D., called "Chinese Secret
Society Challenges Illuminati." This is a very interesting
story, something the likes of which I have not seen in all the
years of doing this program or website.
The author is Benjamin Fulford
- the author quoted in the story. He is a North American,
Canadian to be specific, expatriate living in Japan now. Let's
just bring him on and say hello, see how he's doing and check
this connection out. Are you there, Ben?
FULFORD: Yeah, I'm here.
RENSE: OK, we've got a little
bit of delay.
FULFORD: It's a cell phone, so
the reception is not so good.
RENSE: Well, you sound all
right. There's a bit of a delay, so we'll have to deal with
that.
A lot of people have been
asking me, could this be real? Is this a hoax? Is this a joke?
What is it? We're going to find out much more about this
story, so stay with us tonight as we continue this
conversation with Benjamin Fulford.
He is the former Asia-Pacific
bureau chief for Forbes Magazine, and he quit in disgust when
Forbes refused to run a damaging story about one of its
advertisers. Boy, I know that game, and many of us in the
media do - [those] who try to tell as close to the truth as we
can without losing our jobs. In this case, Ben did eventually
lose his job, because Forbes wouldn't back him. It's a story
I've heard before.
He speaks as a very principled
man - a reporter, journalist in the best tradition. Let's find
out from Ben exactly what happened.
First of all, Ben, when were
you named Asian bureau chief for Forbes, and what was your
background before that, if you would?
FULFORD: Okay. I've been a
journalist in Japan for about 20 years. I was bureau chief for
Forbes from 1998 to 2004-2005.
RENSE: That's a good long
stretch.
FULFORD: Then I left for a lot
of different complications.
RENSE: Your relationship with
Forbes, up until the time you decided to part ways with them,
was how? You were there with them for almost eight years, I
guess.
FULFORD: It started out as a
rather cushy job. They let me investigate a lot of stuff about
Japanese organized crime and the seedier side of things in
Japan. However, at a certain point I seemed to be getting too
close to something they didn't want me to get to, and they
started stopping stories.
There was a corruption story
about GE that didn't make it. Another one about Citibank
didn't make it.
Then when I finally found out
there was an anti-virus software company who was actually
making viruses, that was it.
RENSE: [Laughs] Yeah.
FULFORD: That was the last
straw for me.
RENSE: They do that, I've
heard. Why not? Once in a while you hear about firemen
actually starting fires. I don't know, it's bizarre. That's
what software companies that are in the anti-virus protection
business are accused of doing from time to time - if not
directly, then indirectly. It wouldn't surprise me.
When did you learn to speak
Japanese?
FULFORD: Well, I went to
university in Japan. I came here when I was 19, and I've been
here more than 20 years, so I just got it early on.
RENSE: Did it come easy to
you?
FULFORD: Well, it's a very
difficult language. Not grammatically, but because you have to
grasp a whole new way of thinking. You have to understand that
Asian culture and Western culture parted ways about 40,000
years ago.
RENSE: [Laughs]
FULFORD: That means there's
40,000 years of folk wisdom that you have to catch up with to
really understand what's going on, and that's very, very
difficult.
RENSE: You mean four thousand,
instead of forty thousand. There was nobody around back then,
supposedly.
FULFORD: What I mean is
genetic tests show that's when we separated - Orientals and
Caucasians.
RENSE: I got it. Okay. Now
with respect to the Asian mind, Western minds - the American
mind in particular, we'll just keep it to North America and
Canada - are not basically understood.
I predicate that statement on
not having been there, not having any experience, but having
talked to the former TIME bureau chief for Beijing on the [Rense]
program some years ago. He said, when I asked him what the
Asian mind thought about American Western diplomacy, in China
specifically, he laughed. He said they consider Americans to
be but children in a sandbox. That's the gulf we're talking
about here.
Now would that remark ring
true to you in any way?
FULFORD: Yes, in part. Another
way they look at Western society is as a slave society.
RENSE: Slave society?
FULFORD: A slave society.
RENSE: Well, indeed it is. Go
ahead.
FULFORD: Controlled in secret
by a group of, well, Huckleberry Finn slave drivers.
RENSE: Well, we call them
Illuminati, we call them Bilderbergers, CFR, Trilateral
Commission. We can throw in Skull and Bones, the Club of Rome,
the Fabian Society - all sorts of secret cartels, cabals and
groups.
But at the top, it's a fairly
singular power source, and it is certainly one of slave-owner
to slaves. The encumbering of the slaves is becoming ever more
adroit. With each passing month, it seems, the technology and
politics are changing so quickly over here.
The view from Japan of North
America. Let's talk about the United States. How is it for
you, an expatriate from Canada?
FULFORD: Living in Japan, you
mean?
RENSE: Yeah. What's it look
like over there? What we're doing over here. And I mean 'we'
with President Bush, Vice President Cheney, of course enjoying
the lowest ratings, probably, in Presidential and Vice
Presidential history. The American polls show the respect for
the US Congress virtually around 14-15 percent in terms of job
satisfaction. So tell me more.
FULFORD: It looks like maybe
Russia did just before the Iron Curtain fell. It looks like a
huge sea change is about to happen. Like the biggest thing
since the Declaration of Independence, I think.
RENSE: Well yes, almost the
antithesis of [the Declaration of Independence]. I can see how
that would be a view from over there, and it's probably far
more loaded with merit than we would like to agree.
Things are happening over
here, as I think you well know, at a very rapid pace now. The
controllers are literally pushing things in the American
public's face that are so unconstitutional and illegal as to
be laughable, if they weren't so tragic.
FULFORD: I think these people
are scared. They are trying to carry out a plan. They are
desperate now. Their plan is so horrendous and so bizarre, it
provokes a split - even within their own ranks.
RENSE: I've heard talk of
factions. You mentioned the words "they are desperate," the
key word being 'desperate.' There are others who have said the
same kind of thing - [the controllers] sense there is a window
through which they must move, now, if they are ever going to
move. Do you agree with that?
FULFORD: Yes. Let me tell you
something. I was offered the job of finance minister in Japan
by the Freemasons. Okay?
RENSE: When?
FULFORD: I brought [my case
against] David Rockefeller. I actually was able to link him to
some murders of bankers and other people in Japan, as a part
of his effort to take over the Japanese financial system.
When I confronted the former
Japanese finance minister, Heizo Takanaka (ph) with this, he
sent a ninja, believe it or not - a real live ninja - who
offered me a gold Freemason badge. He told me I could either
accept a job of great power or be killed.
At first I thought I had no
choice, I had to go along, which is what happens to a lot of
people when they get pulled into this. But then the Chinese
secret society showed up and offered me protection. So that's
why I can talk about this.
I want to tell you. I got
right inside, right at the very top. Anybody up to a 33rd
degree Freemason is a chump. They think they're doing good for
humankind and they're doing God's work. There are 13 degrees
above the 33rd degree.
RENSE: So I've heard.
FULFORD: The first thing they
learn is that there is no God. We are God. This is what they
are taught. And they are, believe it or not, the descendants
of Babylonian pirates. This goes back almost 6000 years. It's
ancient Babylonian slave-driver technology.
They use a combination of
bribes, murder, ostracism, mind control, whatever. They have a
huge arsenal. They think very, very long term.
The story I've figured out now
is that when they started with the Zionism, they had this plan
to make a capital in Jerusalem. A lot of the religious Jews
thought of this as blasphemy, but they actually did it.
[Bumper music begins]
And then there was a
convergence. There was a really radical faction that had this
plan to eliminate Christianity. Now this is going to sound so
horrendous, believe me...
RENSE: Hold on right there,
Ben. Let me ask you to pause. We'll take a break, and come
back to that thought. Eliminating Christianity. Very
interesting.
Lots already on the table
here. My guest is Benjamin Fulford, the former Asia-Pacific
bureau chief for Forbes magazine, who has just a stunningly
provocative piece up on the site written by Dr. Henry Makow,
Ph.D., who interviewed Ben at great length. You'll see it up
there on Featured Stories, on the left hand side of my home
page.
So by all means, take a look.
Right under that, a story written by Benjamin Fulford - the
Secret History of the Freemasons in Japan - as well. Be back
in a minute.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay, back with
Benjamin Fulford, live from Tokyo. He, by the way, has
published 15 books written in Japanese, with cumulative sales
running at over half a million copies. He's got his own weekly
two-hour television program over there, appears frequently on
numerous other nationally broadcast programs in Japan, and has
regular columns in a variety of best-selling Japanese
magazines.
My guest, Benjamin Fulford.
Lucky to connect with him. At showtime we couldn't get through
to his land line, which I had a hunch might be the case. These
controversial subjects, one never knows who might be playing
phone games. We have him on the line right now.
Go ahead and tell us, then,
what this story about abolishing Christianity is about. Is
that about the one world, New World Order religion?
FULFORD: Yes. What I first got
wind of was a plan to kill Asians - reduce the population of
Asians. They told me, once I was invited in, that they had a
plan to reduce the population of Asians.
RENSE: Okay, excuse me, Ben,
but when you say "They invited you in," who is 'They' and what
were you 'in'?
FULFORD: What happened was I
interviewed Heizo Takanaka (ph), the former Japanese finance
minister.
RENSE: What year was this,
approximately?
FULFORD: This year, in fact. I
hit a tender spot. I confronted him with having sold the
Japanese financial system over to the Rockefellers. Then he
sent the ninja, who offered me to join the Freemasons. They
offered me the job as finance minister.
RENSE: If I might interject
here, please explain what it is. Most Americans and most
listening in Canada, or wherever they're listening from around
the world, won't understand why or how the Rockefellers are so
heavily entrenched and powerful in Japan. In point of fact,
the Rockefellers, I guess, own much of Japan, and have since
World War Two. So tell us a little bit about that background,
if you would.
FULFORD: The Rockefellers, you
have to understand their real influence. Everybody outside of
America seems to know how powerful they are, but they try to
hide this fact from their own people. You have to go back to
the very first Rockefeller. You have to go back to 1918. This
is what Forbes magazine figured out...
RENSE: John Rockefeller?
FULFORD: Yeah. He was worth
about 250 billion in today's money. And the ten richest people
controlled about 70 percent of the money supply. This was
before they took over the financial system - the Fed.
What they've done is hidden it
all through a series of charitable foundations. There's over
two hundred, three hundred foundations. They use this to
finance universities, to finance research. So they control
through money, and they hide it through these foundations.
If you do a check, you will
see David Rockefeller is only worth three billion or so.
That's because the rest of it is hidden in these charitable
foundations, which they own and control.
RENSE: Okay, name a few of
them. Just give us a few.
FULFORD: Well, the Rockefeller
foundation, for one. There's a whole bunch. Just look under
Google with Rockefeller and Foundation, and you'll see so
many. They're always considered the secret rulers of the
United States, and much of the world.
They are the hidden patriarchs
of this secret government.
RENSE: Okay. How did the
Rockefellers, on the planet, stand up to the Rothschilds?
FULFORD: There is an alliance
and a split as well. The Rothschilds originally set the
Rockefellers up. They helped them monopolize oil. What
happened was the Rockefellers got very strong, and became the
more dominant partners in the whole enterprise.
Europe is still basically
controlled by the Rothschilds. The head of the Rothschild side
of the clan is Phillip Rothschild, in London. There is another
group that controls France, Belgium and Holland, which is the
Grand Lodge of the Orient in France, and is another branch of
the Rothschilds.
There was a German branch of
the Rothschilds. They have laid low since Hitler was purged.
You have to think of it as
royalty. Royal families interbred with old financial families.
They interbreed with each other and they keep control that
way. The Freemasons are one of the secret societies they use
to control European and North American society.
RENSE: Who uses the
Freemasons? The Rothschilds or the Rockefellers, or both?
FULFORD: They both do. They
also control Mossad and the CIA, as far as I can tell. Most of
the people in the CIA think they're working for the United
States of America. The reality is they are working for robber
barons.
So that's how people look at
the United States. They look at it as an enclave controlled by
the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers.
RENSE: How did that extend to
Japan? By virtue of the victory in World War II?
FULFORD: Yes. It keeps being a
Rothschild sphere of influence and became a Rockefeller sphere
of influence. You have to understand the Japanese were pretty
independent before World War II, but they had close
associations with the Rothschilds, who originally financed
their modernization.
RENSE: They also pushed the
Japanese to engage in the Russo-Japanese war, did they not?
FULFORD: Yes. Absolutely. They
armed them for it, and they helped them, and it was a very
successful venture. The Japanese had a deep gratitude as a
result.
[Bumper music]
To this day, they have very
friendly feelings.
RENSE: All right. Let's pause
on that, and we'll come back and find out about the
eradication of Christianity on the planet, and the Masonic
influence, being of course employed at the behest of the
Rockefellers and / or the Rothschilds. So we'll explore that.
My guest is Benjamin Fulford,
who has a dynamite article up there, courtesy of the superb, I
call him brilliant writer, Henry Makow, Ph.D., who did a lot
of research on this and interviewed Ben at great length. We're
very honored to have it. You'll see it up there in Featured
Stories. "Chinese Secret Society Challenges Illuminati."
Be right back with Ben Fulford
in just a minute.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay, back with
Benjamin Fulford. Read the article by Dr. Henry Makow, Ph.D.,
"Chinese Secret Society Challenges Illuminati," and then read
the article by Ben Fulford right under that, in the Featured
Story box at <http://rense.com/>Rense.com. Click on Ben's
name, go to his own website in English. It's his own website,
in Japanese, of course, but he's got one for all of us folks
as well.
Okay, the plan to eliminate
Christianity. Now you mentioned how the Rothschilds and the
Zionists set up their Jerusalem and their Middle East.
FULFORD: What they did was
they tried to make the Bible prophecy come true, without the
intervention of God. In other words, they did it. It wasn't
any Divine intervention.
So they are God. They believe
themselves to be as powerful as God. [They believe] there is
no God; they are the equivalent [of God] on Earth. They are
the descendants of Babylonian tyrants.
So one thing I've been
hearing, and this was disturbing - when I was invited to join
- was that they did plan to reduce the world's population by
seven billion people.
RENSE: This goes back to
Global 2000. One more word about this severely atheistic
organization, which is using organized religion to hide
behind, as they always have. It's not a big surprise. And of
course, that leads to all kinds of difficulties, shall we say.
But it's an interesting thing to know.
Okay. You were invited to join
the organization. A Rockefeller ninja was sent to make you an
offer you could not refuse. But you decided not to accept.
FULFORD: Yes.
RENSE: How did you decide not
to accept? We have plenty of time. So you get the offer, and
what happened?
FULFORD: The next day I get
contacted by a gentleman who says he represents a Chinese
secret society.
RENSE: The very next day.
FULFORD: The very next day.
RENSE: And how did that person
know to contact you the very next day? How did you determine
later on that he or she might have known that?
FULFORD: I don't know. They
keep their secrets quite well. I assume they have a mole very
high up in the organization. You have to understand that the
Chinese secret society also has deep roots in Japan. Maybe I
should give you a brief history of these people.
I recognized them from the
history books. So when they approached me, I already had some
knowledge about them.
RENSE: May I ask another
question? How did they approach you? Did they call you and
say, "Ben, we'd like to talk to you," or did they just come
knocking at your door? What happened?
FULFORD: I got a phone call
from a gentleman who said he'd like to meet me and talk about
something important.
RENSE: Was he speaking English
or Japanese?
FULFORD: Japanese.
RENSE: All right. So let's go
back and do a little history on this organization now.
FULFORD: Okay. The Ming
dynasty was the high point in Chinese history. This was when
their civilization reached a peak. They were invaded by some
very uncouth barbarians known as the Manchus. When this
happened, the Ming army - they were betrayed by a border
general - became an underground organization, a secret
society.
So there are two branches. The
old Ming army and the old Ming navy. These are their
descendants.
They wanted to over throw the
Qing [formed by the Manchus] and restore the Ming. Their first
big attempt was what we know of as the Boxer Rebellion. Then
later they got huge help from the Japanese royal family, from
the Meiji.
RENSE: That's M-E-I-J-I,
correct?
FULFORD: Yeah. These are the
people who modernized Japan. So we're talking about the
beginning of the 1900s.
RENSE: So the Meiji family
modernized Japan at the beginning of the 1900s. All right.
FULFORD: Yeah. It was a bunch
of Freemasons set up by the Rothschilds.
RENSE: That's how the
Rothschilds first got involved with Japan and China. I
understand.
FULFORD: Right. Unknown to the
Rothschilds - or maybe they knew at the time, I don't know -
the Japanese helped this Chinese secret society overthrow the
Ming dynasty. They also got help from Chinatowns all over the
world, which is where they have their bases. This is how Sun
Yat-Sen overthrew the last emperor.
RENSE: So you're saying, in a
way, Sun Yat-Sen was a tool of the Masons, who were a tool of
the Rothschilds.
FULFORD: Well, in appearances
it is like that. The Asians don't particularly want to be
ruled by white people, so it doesn't really work in fact all
around. They'll take their money, but they're not going to do
everything they're told.
RENSE: That was the political
mechanism, in so many words. That's how Sun Yat-Sen assumed
power. Okay.
FULFORD: He was later ousted.
As you know, the Japanese invaded China, and they were trying
to take it over. It was a huge battle over the future of the
planet, which evolved into World War II. They were fighting a
proxy war in China for over a decade before World War II
started.
RENSE: Very few Americans
understand that.
FULFORD: The secret society
ended up fighting the communist Chinese, being defeated and
going underground.
RENSE: So they were a part of
Chiang Kai-Shek's apparatus. They were supporting him, allies?
FULFORD: Well, they were
allied with him, as I said, but not part of his apparatus.
RENSE: Okay, so they were
fighting with him, supporting him, and he lost. Okay. Mao
Zedong?
FULFORD: ...was financed by
the Soviet Union, by the Rothschilds on that side of the
equation. Then they kicked out the connection in the 1960s,
and China became independent from Rothschild and Freemason
control.
RENSE: Was that a big shock to
the Rothschilds at the time, or did they see it coming?
FULFORD: No! It was a big
shock. There was all this talk about "who lost China?" This
was a major blow for them. But they never really controlled
China. Like I said, the Chinese were on to them, and onto
their game. They weren't going to be fooled.
RENSE: How did the British
East India Company and the opium wars play into this in the
18th and 19th centuries?
FULFORD: The story there is
the British - while everyone else was buying lots of tea and
had nothing to pay for it with - invaded China, unfortunately
to buy opium, so they could have their tea. That was a war of
invasion. But they couldn't control China. It was just too big
for them to manage. So instead they just threatened them and
kept them as a vassal state, in that sense.
RENSE: They had enough trouble
with the United States before, and it was known as the
colonies, but yes - trying to control China, I can see, would
be virtually [impossible].
FULFORD: It's worth noting
that the Skull and Bones were opium and slave traders. So they
were deeply involved in all this.
RENSE: A lot of Zionists were
in the slave trade too. A tremendous Zionist / Jewish
participation in that filthy business.
FULFORD: Sure. There is still
trading going on to this day.
RENSE: Well, that's called
white slavery. I don't know how many tens of thousands, if not
hundreds of thousands of women and children are sold into
slavery through various conduits that often run into Israel
every year.
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FULFORD: Sure.
RENSE: All right, Benjamin,
we'll come right back in our conversation with Benjamin
Fulford. Do visit his website, and do visit <http://rense.com/>Rense.com.
Look for his article about the Freemasons and their history as
well. It's in the fifth featured story down - "The Secret
History of the Freemasons in Japan." Be right back.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay. Back with
Benjamin Fulford. We're going to pursue the issue of
Christianity and its future, or lack thereof, in a few
minutes. We're doing a little background now on the Chinese
secret society, which actually came to the rescue, as it were.
Ben would either be filthy rich now, or dead.
FULFORD: [Laughs]
RENSE: [Laughs] Go ahead.
FULFORD: Just to divert a bit,
it is what is known in folklore as making a deal with the
Devil, right? They offer you, I would have been finance
minister and I would have earned billions of dollars - looting
the Japanese to finance genocide.
RENSE: Which goes back to our
earlier comment about reducing the world population, which
we're going to get to. We have a lot of time tonight. That, of
course, goes back to the actual printed projection of reducing
the world population called Global 2000, by 75 or 80 percent.
But we'll get back to that in a few minutes. Go ahead.
FULFORD: When I left the
Chinese, at first I didn't know what to make of it.
RENSE: How was your meeting
with them, Ben? Did they come to your place and sit down and
talk to you?
FULFORD: No, no. In a hotel
room.
RENSE: Was it one person or
two?
FULFORD: Two people.
RENSE: Male or female?
FULFORD: Male.
RENSE: Dressed?
FULFORD: Dressed in pretty
ordinary, not very expensive-looking clothing.
RENSE: Okay. They sat you
down. You had never heard about this secret society before,
correct?
FULFORD: Oh, I had, I had!
RENSE: But not in terms of it
being active to the extent that it might pop up in your life.
You'd heard about it in the past.
FULFORD: I've studied Chinese
history. I read about them in the history books as the Green
and the Red Gang, who fought the communists in Shanghai, in
1949.
RENSE: That was my point. Go
ahead, please.
FULFORD: For me it was like a
ghost from the history books appearing in front of me. They
told me they had a membership worldwide of six million,
including 1.8 million gangsters - all the Asian gangsters in
the world - and 100,000 professional assassins.
Now, I wasn't sure whether or
not to believe these people. I later flew to Taiwan and met
the heads. We were surrounded by hundreds and hundreds of men
in black suits who looked like gangsters. I was getting some
martial arts displays.
I believe they are not lying
when they say they have six million members, and a lot of them
are gangsters.
RENSE: Now are they
headquartered in Taiwan, or did they just pick that as a
meeting place for you?
FULFORD: No. They are
headquartered in Taiwan. It's a very secret organization. They
don't really have a building where they say, "This is our
headquarters."
RENSE: They've been there
since Chiang Kai-Shek fled there in 1949, I guess, and before
that.
FULFORD: They've infiltrated
the Chinese government right up to the politburo level. They
are all over China and all over the world. The Japanese Yakuza
gangs are also a part of this. Many of them.
RENSE: The Yakuza?
FULFORD: Yes. Yakuza
gangsters. There's about 150 thousand of them throughout
Japan.
RENSE: Let's talk for a moment
about their projection of power in the United States. There
are a lot of Asians now, some Asian gangs. Certainly there are
Chinatowns around the US. In every big city there is a Chinese
community. Are they projecting power through those various
locations and venues?
FULFORD: Absolutely. They are
everywhere. Remember that 2/3rds of the members are scholars,
not gangsters. These will be people working as researchers,
for example, in government laboratories, or as university
professors.
RENSE: Now we know, Ben, there
are lots of Chinese over here in the United States. At the
university level, certainly doing contract work for very
important corporations. By the tens of thousands, they are
over here. Now is this People's Liberation Army, or is this a
secret society, or is it both?
FULFORD: These people are
anti-Communist. You've got to get that clear. They are not
part of the People's Republic of China.
RENSE: So the PLA has spies
all over the place here, but the secret society is not part of
that. They are completely opposed to it.
FULFORD: Yeah. They are a
totally separate organization. But they do have membership, of
course, in the Chinese secret police, et cetera. It's a weird
mix.
If they do have one loyalty,
the rules I was told were to protect the weak, fight against
injustice, to help each other. There is nothing I would find
morally objectionable in what they told me were their codes.
It just reads like a book of morals.
RENSE: It sounds like good
old-fashioned values. That would work here.
So you had this meeting in
Taiwan. Where did that take place, and what was the meeting
like? Who were the people you met with? I don't expect you to
name them or show us pictures on the Internet, but what did
these people say?
FULFORD: Well, it was a
meeting upstairs in a small Chinese restaurant, in a small,
nondescript room.
RENSE: Geez! It sounds like a
Hollywood movie!
FULFORD: [Laughs] Yeah! And
these guys looked like something out of a Hollywood movie.
Some of them were missing like four fingers. One guy I met
said he personally killed a hundred people. They were pretty
scary, funky people, let me tell you that. Some of them.
Some of them had two Ph.D.'s,
and were very sophisticated and charming.
RENSE: The core group you met
with were numbered how many?
FULFORD: Well, there was a
dozen, and then the real core... I don't know how much I
should be able to disclose, but, you know, I mean, uh...
RENSE: Well, you don't have to
go any further than you don't want to.
FULFORD: They explained to me
- they understood the urgency, that there was a genocide plan,
and they were manufacturing diseases.
RENSE: When I said you don't
have to go any further than you don't want to, I imagine you
don't have to go any further than you want to, of course. I
misspoke there. The gist of this, the crux of this thing was
their concern of an ethnic-specific bio-weapon, perhaps, or
something along those lines, that would eradicate much of the
Asian population base?
FULFORD: Yes. And SARS was
artificially manufactured.
RENSE: SARS, of course, first
popped up in Guangdong Province in China, I believe, where the
Chinese maintain, the People's Liberation Army has one or two
bio-weapons labs in Guangdong. Guangdong is also where H5N1
seemingly originated. That's one of the most lethal strains of
it in the bird community worldwide.
So yeah, interesting. Go right
ahead.
FULFORD: They don't like the
idea of plans to wipe out... what the Japanese freemason told
me, the one connected to Rockefeller, was the plan was to
reduce Asia's population to 500 million. And Japan was ordered
to reduce their population to 75 million.
RENSE: Ordered by?
FULFORD: By the Rockefellers
and the Freemasons, and these interbred Illuminati. They tried
to do it from birth control, which is ideal, but if not, then
through disease or war - whatever is necessary.
RENSE: Okay. You mentioned
SARS, and it broke out. Interestingly enough, I'm going to
make a point here. I think it's very germane. You're an
ex-Canadian. Now SARS took a big toll of people in Canada -
healthcare workers in hospitals specifically. In one hospital
I know they lost a lot of people.
At one point in the SARS - we
won't call it an epidemic, but in the SARS outbreak here, they
printed, in a major Canadian newspaper, pictures of all the
fatalities of SARS in Canada. And there were about 50 to 100,
Ben.
I looked at those pictures and
I said to myself, "Uh-oh. SARS comes from China." I looked at
these pictures, and all but 2 or 3 or 4 of the people - and
let's just say there were 50 - were Asians! They were all
Asians!
FULFORD: SARS affects people
with only a certain genotype - and most of these people are
Asian.
RENSE: All right. That ties in
with the picture I saw.
FULFORD: Look at the Project
for a New American Century, page 60, "Rebuilding America's
Defenses." They are saying bio-weapons that can target
specific genotypes can be used for political tools.
RENSE: Well, they've had that
capability for 20-25 years, at least. They can target blue
eyes, green eyes, blonde hair, brown hair, height, weight.
Certainly anything to do with race or genetics can be
programmed into bio-weapons. That's not a surprise.
The SARS thing was, in your
opinion, what? Something introduced by the West to let the
Chinese know that they are going to get...
FULFORD: They were going to
attempt to cull the Chinese population.
RENSE: So that was a
full-blown attempt to massively infect China with some kind of
a pandemic that would wipe out a great deal of the people
there? That wasn't just an experiment or a calling card or a
wake-up call?
FULFORD: No. I believe it was
a sincere attempt to kill them. And of course, people don't
like being killed, which is why this society re-activated
itself after being dormant for so many years. It's like an
emergency fire brigade. Normally people just go about their
lives and do their jobs - they don't do anything illegal. But
if there is a crisis, they all band together.
An interesting thing, as a
digression. When Sun Yat-Sen took over, he found the Imperial
Treasure - a horde of treasure built up by the Chinese
emperors over the millennia. When the Communists took over,
some of this treasure was shipped off to the National Palace
Museum in Taiwan, but some of it was hidden in a mountain in
China.
The Communists tortured three
thousand people to try to find out where it was, and nobody
spoke. This is their emergency war chest, which they will dig
up and spend if they feel...
RENSE: You mean the secret
society.
FULFORD: Yes.
RENSE: Okay. So the Chinese
communists could not find half of the treasure. Half went to
Taiwan, half remained on the mainland. This is the secret
society's bankroll?
FULFORD: Yes. It's their
emergency fund for rainy days.
RENSE: It must be a pretty
handsome fund for rainy days.
FULFORD: Yes. It's [worth]
billions of dollars.
RENSE: Yeah, I would think.
Stand by, if you would, Ben. We have to take a break here and
will be back momentarily. We'll come right back and continue
our wide-ranging conversation. It's quite focused, really,
when you look at the totality of it.
Again, SARS, when you look at
Ben Fulford and his Chinese / Asian contact, was an attack. He
believes it was a full-blown attack to unleash a bio-specific
agent in China, a virus, to wipe out most Chinese.
That might account for some of
the exclamations of the Chinese general staff, the second in
command of the military, who has said twice now that China is
preparing to wage and to win a nuclear war with the United
States. Now maybe he was talking about the Rockefeller
interests in the United States. I don't know.
This is an interesting
conversation, to put it mildly. Benjamin Fulford is my guest.
We'll be right back with hour number two of our conversation
in a few minutes.
[Break]
-HOUR TWO-
RENSE: Okay, back with
Benjamin Fulford, the former Asian-Pacific bureau chief for
Forbes Magazine for eight years. He's got quite a CV. You can
see it on his website by clicking on his name at <http://rense.com/>Rense.com.
We're talking about the Asian
/ Chinese secret society, which has tentacles all over the
world. It is more than concerned about the plans, and
apparently one failed attempt, to massively reduce the Chinese
population, enroute to an overall world population reduction
of some 80 percent. At least that's our understanding of the
plans of a faction of the world elite, the Illuminati, the
controllers, and so forth.
Again, a very fascinating
conversation. In the Featured Story section of <http://rense.com/>Rense.com,
Dr. Henry Makow's article, "Chinese Secret Society Challenges
Illuminati," all about Ben Fulford. Ben's article underneath
it, "The Secret History of the Freemasons in Japan," is a very
interesting history lesson in and of itself.
Okay, Ben. You had your
meeting in Taiwan. You met upstairs in a rather plain,
nondescript room in a Chinese restaurant. You met with these
guys. They are well-dressed guys at this point, would you say?
FULFORD: Some of them were
obviously billionaires, and some were senior government
figures. Some of them...
RENSE: How could you think
they were obviously billionaires, Ben? What was it about them
that made you feel that?
FULFORD: Well, the list of
companies they owned...
RENSE: Did they present their
own CV to you to prove their pedigree?
FULFORD: [With] some of them,
you can see their faces in the newspaper all the time.
RENSE: I see. Okay. With your
knowledge, you knew who some of them were.
FULFORD: Yeah.
RENSE: And again, some of
them, Ben Fulford would never have guessed. These are
professional people, they're not bums. Here they are, saying
"Ben, we trust you not to talk about this too much. And what
we're trying to do is..."
What did they say they were
trying to accomplish?
FULFORD: They want to stop
these people, obviously.
RENSE: Who are 'these people'?
The Rockefeller, Rothschild, Freemasons and Illuminati?
FULFORD: The Rockefellers, the
Illuminati families.
RENSE: Would you call them
anti-Asian? Westerners? What would you call them?
FULFORD: They are racists, but
they are more than that. They want to enslave humanity.
RENSE: Okay. And the fewer the
number left around, the easier it is to enslave them. So they
want a skeleton crew, so to speak, left in China to run
things.
FULFORD: They like the
Chinese. They want to keep some Chinese around because they
make good stuff cheap, no?
RENSE: Yeah, just like they
want to keep some Africans around in sub-Saharan Africa to
work the plantation.
FULFORD: Right. That sort of
thinking. Their plan, as I was told by the Japanese Illuminati,
was to weaken China through disease, and also starvation. They
are trying to engineer a global food shortage by creating
viruses that affect our major food crops.
Then they want to provoke a
war by getting Taiwan to declare independence. Their hope, by
that time, is to have the Japanese army as a subdivision of
the US army, ready to pounce on China and divide it into six
countries. This was the plan told to me by very senior
Japanese people.
RENSE: When was this plan
cooped [laughs] - kooky plan, but when was it cooked up?
FULFORD: Quite a long time
ago. These people think in terms of decades or even longer.
RENSE: The Japanese army is
not able to go in and subjugate China. This is...
FULFORD: The Japanese army is
one of the biggest armies in the world. It's huge. It would be
working with the US Army and the Navy.
RENSE: How big is the Japanese
army? How many standing men in uniform?
FULFORD: It's an 'instant
ramen' army. What they have is lots and lots of officers and
lots and lots of weapons. They have the third biggest military
budget in the world. What they can do at any time is grab
three million office workers off the street and turn them into
soldiers.
RENSE: Wow.
FULFORD: That's quite huge,
and very up to date.
RENSE: So this plan of
subjugating China with this army, and other factors like
what's left of our army and military - is it a plan that is
still cohesive, militarily?
FULFORD: Not really. The
Japanese are still going according to the original plan, but
that blew up in Iraq, didn't it?
RENSE: It sure did!
FULFORD: The plan was to grab
all the oil in the Middle East, and then go and get China. But
they couldn't quite get their Middle Eastern part done. That's
why, a very important thing to understand is that because the
Rothschild faction split with the Rockefellers, that's when we
had this "Freedom Fries" business and all this anti-French
stuff.
They are not getting enough
financing to maintain a big army there. That's why there are
150,000 troops. The only money they're getting now is from
Japan. The Europeans aren't willing to finance this adventure
in Iraq anymore.
So there has been a very major
schism here between the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers.
That's part of the reason why they can't afford to run the
Iraq thing properly.
RENSE: Now the [Chinese]
secret society, pointing to SARS as an attempt. That's what
galvanized them.
I guess we come to the next
obvious question. Why, then, Fulford?
FULFORD: I wrote about this in
a book in Japanese, which alerted them. Then they did their
own research and confirmed that it was true.
RENSE: You wrote about the
population reduction plans?
FULFORD: Yeah, and SARS and
stuff, and how it only affected mainly Asians. Also an
interesting little misquote can be found in the Congressional
record, from July 13, 2005. You have a bio-weapons expert
saying the weaponization of bird flu is taking place across
Asia. In the Congressional record, they tried to erase it.
I've got multiple copies stacked here and there.
RENSE: We do know that on
April Fool's Day, April 1st of 2005, the resident of the White
House, George Bush, signed an executive order which gave the
federal government - i.e. George Bush and anybody he
designates - full power of quarantine over any and all
Americans, towns, cities, counties, states, which have been
exposed to H5N1, Avian influenza, or any other exotic,
infectious micro-organism. They're not taking any chances.
So somebody knows something
somewhere. We've been tracking this - you don't know this - on
my program for some three years now, with Dr. Henry Al-Nyman
(ph), Ph.D., who is a brilliant micro-biologist and
geneticist. He has been following this genetically from the
beginning, forecasting what it would do, and how it is
learning more and more about how to survive and thrive in
mammals, which it is very close to doing now. It's changing
all the time, and getting closer and closer to true pandemic
status.
Now if there is an Asian
genetic factor to this, I'm not aware of it, but we do know
that Indonesia is rampant with H5N1, and Vietnam, Cambodia,
and Taiwan have had a lot of trouble with it. So that's a
fact.
FULFORD: It's also a fact that
the Asians are a little over sharing the bird flu data with
the Americans. [They say,] "Why should we give you stuff that
will allow you to create a vaccine to protect your own people
while we die?"
RENSE: That makes sense. We
wondered why the genomes were being withheld, why the samples
were being withheld.
FULFORD: The Chinese haven't
been giving them for years now. They said, "The hell with
that. We're not going to protect your own people while you try
to kill us."
RENSE: Okay. Back to the
meeting in Taiwan.
FULFORD: They decided that
these people need to be overthrown.
RENSE: The Rothschilds, the
Illuminati, the Rockefellers.
FULFORD: Yeah. The Illuminati.
And specifically, if I have to, I will ally myself with the
Rothschilds against the Rockefellers, if it comes to it. I'd
rather get them both out of power, but the Rothschilds are a
much mellower bunch at this point. They're [promoting] the
global warming thing. It's stupid, but...
RENSE: I wouldn't agree with
you, but I would suggest that what they're doing in Europe
with Bush's so-called defensive missiles, threatening and
pushing and provoking Russia, is not particularly sanguine;
it's pretty damn dangerous.
The Russians today announced
they are going to deploy their new Iskander (ph). It's a new
medium-range cruise missile, in Western Russia, to oppose the
so-called Bush 'defensive' missiles, which of course are being
placed there, or will be placed there, to knock down the Topol-M,
which has also just been advanced dramatically.
The Topol-M was a single-bang
warhead. Now it's a MERV'ed warhead, and it has had two
successful test firings. So the Topol-M is now MERV'ed,
meaning it has ten independently targeted thermonuclear
warheads in each rocket.
Now the Topol has a
triple-speed boost phase, which makes it very hard to knock
down. These interceptor rockets that Bush wants to put in
Europe are specifically designed to try to stop the Topol-M in
its boost phase. That's another story.
Go ahead, please.
FULFORD: What it means is
we've now got the Russians and the Chinese. I've now been
contacted by the Japanese secret government, and it looks like
they're also going to turn against the Rockefellers.
RENSE: Now the Rockefellers
have the Japanese by the shorthairs, or at least they have so
far.
FULFORD: Yeah. They have so
far. The thing is, the Japanese want to keep friendly
relations with the United States. They really do like that
US-Japan relationship and they don't want to damage that. But
if they can preserve that relationship and get rid of the
Rockefellers, that would be very happy for them - very happy
indeed.
[Bumper music]
RENSE: So is this suggesting
some kind of cooperation between the Chinese secret society
and the Japanese government, which wants liberation from the
yoke of the Rothschilds?
FULFORD: Absolutely!
Absolutely. They are cooperating. They are going to be given
an ultimatum soon. We're just waiting for all our ducks to be
in a row.
RENSE: All right, stand by.
Hold on right there, Ben. We'll come back and talk more about
this.
Okay. Wow. Quite a fortune
cookie. We'll be right back in just a few minutes with
Benjamin Fulford.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay. And back with Ben
Fulford. Hi, Ben. You want to carry on right where we were?
FULFORD: Yes. They are going
to be given an ultimatum.
When these people first
contacted me, once I knew they were for real, the first thing
I thought was, "We'll play 9/11 movies in Chinatowns around
the world." But then I thought, "Wait a minute. These guys are
really bad people." I thought about it.
I realized the Illuminati and
all their servants are about 10,000 people. Everyone below
them - if they knew what the 10,000 were doing, they would be
furious, and rip them out of their houses and hang them from
the nearest lampposts. Right?
RENSE: Mm hm.
FULFORD: The Chinese [secret
society has] six million. So that's 600 to 1 odds. More
specifically, there are ten professional assassins for each
member of the Illuminati. So basically it's checkmate for
them.
The question is how to bring
this out to the public and make this a formal thing.
However, killing people is
something I don't like - and neither do they. So the first
order of business is to try to talk, before things get
radical.
The point is, there is the
technical ability to wipe them all out in a matter of hours.
They would all be assassinated.
But instead, I think, they're
going to be offered an opportunity. I don't think - I know.
They are going to be offered an opportunity to surrender.
RENSE: Will you be playing a
role in making such an offer?
FULFORD: Absolutely. I am
their spokesman. My job is to represent them in the Western
world.
I know what I am allowed to
say and what I am not allowed to say.
The point is this. We would
start by killing David Rockefeller, and then work our way down
the list until they agree to our terms.
RENSE: You speak, I want to
make this clear. Ben Fulford is speaking hypothetically here.
FULFORD: Hypothetically. What
I'm saying is that if they do not surrender...
RENSE: ...or comply, or become
acquiescent...
FULFORD: Yes. Then we have to
protect ourselves from genocide. And the way to do that, with
the minimum possible death, is we start at the top of the Eye
and work our way down until they agree.
RENSE: So the idea would be
five or ten thousand is a lot better than a billion.
FULFORD: Zero is a lot better
than five or ten thousand!
RENSE: And that was my next
statement. Yes. I understand that.
FULFORD: My job is to try to
make sure that not a single person dies. That is the ideal.
The commissions that are going to be offered - and I know
David Rockefeller is going to be listening to this, so you'd
better listen, David Rockefeller:
1. They are going to be
allowed to keep their palaces and their servants. They will be
given an amnesty, but they must appear before a truth
commission.
2. And they must promise -
them and their clan - to never, ever try again to enslave the
human race.
3. And third, they must spend
the rest of their lives doing good deeds.
Those are the conditions. I
think they're very good ones, and it's the best they have
available. They'd better hurry before the American people drag
them out of their houses and hang them from the nearest
lampposts, which I think is about to happen anyway.
RENSE: Do those conditions
apply to the Rothschilds as well?
FULFORD: Yeah, I mean, maybe
the Rothschilds can work themselves their own deal. I'm in
contact with a Rothschild representative, and maybe we can
come up with something else. The main point is to stop the
genocide. That is the number one goal.
RENSE: What would you term
what the Americans are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan? We have
seen the slaughter of over...
FULFORD: Well, they're
irradiating it with nuclear dust!
RENSE: We are turning it into
nuclear dust, we have killed already close to one million
Iraqis since the Iraq war began over four years ago. The
threat now to invade Iran, a country of 70 to 80 million
people, is quite clearly on the front burner again. So this is
genocide.
FULFORD: Yes.
RENSE: And this is not being
orchestrated entirely by the Rockefellers, although I do see
the connection to what you're saying. Now we want to quickly
jump over to... go ahead.
FULFORD: The Rockefellers are
just one... I don't want to put everything on that one name.
You've got to remember that you have the JP Morgan
descendants.
What people in America need to
do is get an old Who's Who. Look up the names of the bankers,
the six or seven families who took over the Fed in 1913. Get
the Who's Who and look up all their descendants. And then
capture all the males. The United States would wake up.
It would be like the movie
"The Island," where everyone suddenly wakes up and realizes
they're being subjected to Freudian / Pavlovian mind control.
It would be a miracle. It would be freedom!
That's what you have to do to
save America. Those are the people you need to make as your
priority targets if you want to save the United States and
stop this genocide. The court jesters are the Neocons, too,
who are the servants of these people.
RENSE: Well, the Neocons are
essentially servants of the Zionist / Jewish / Rothschild
cartel that is pushing the Middle East agenda, as much as we
can tell.
Now the oil issue, of course,
appears to cross over to both sides. It appears that Zionism
is taking on Russia now, and pushing very hard in that
respect. The Rockefellers are hard at work in Iran, covertly,
and Iraq of course overtly, and Afghanistan. That's a
simplistic overview.
FULFORD: They need oil to
control the world.
RENSE: The Chinese need oil to
continue to develop and progress, as do the Japanese.
FULFORD: You know what?
Actually they figured out that maybe they don't need oil. They
have these huge plants that are converting coal to oil now. To
be honest, the Japanese had the technology to make fuel from
water 30 years ago.
[Bumper music]
RENSE: I think several people
have, if you simply spend an hour on the Internet and look up
taking hydrogen from water and actually making it burn. There
is a lot of potential out there, which the petroleum companies
are not too fond of.
FULFORD: Yeah. Actually let me
tell you a personal story...
RENSE: Hold on, let's do that
in just a minute, Ben, please. We have to pause. We'll do the
personal story next, with Benjamin Fulford, who has just laid
out some pretty interesting conditions for an alleged offer
that perhaps the Illuminati can't afford to refuse. We will
see.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay. Back with you.
Benjamin Fulford, live from Tokyo, is with us. Pretty stunning
material. All right, Ben, you had a personal story you wanted
to share. Go ahead.
FULFORD: My great grandfather
was G.T. Fulford. He was one of the richest men in the world -
George Taylor Fulford. You can find him on Wikipedia. He was
one of the richest men on Earth, and he was the largest single
shareholder in General Electric.
He was going to finance Nikola
Tesla, but he was murdered by the Rockefellers in 1905. It was
made to look like a car accident.
RENSE: Your grandfather.
FULFORD: Great grandfather.
RENSE: Great grandfather. So
really! Wow.
FULFORD: And the family
fortune was stolen. My grandfather was only three years old at
the time. The family fortune was taken over by the
Rockefellers. My grandfather didn't know how to suspend his
assets.
I am telling the Rockefellers
right now, they can think of me as the ghost of G.T. Fulford,
come back over a century - from four generations - to get
justice.
RENSE: You speak in a very
brave and cavalier way.
FULFORD: I've got good people
behind me!
RENSE: And as I was going to
say, you speak as if you are a man with great self-assurance,
and you have a lot of friends.
FULFORD: Absolutely. You have
100,000 assassins backing you up, you don't have to be a
chicken!
RENSE: Well, you don't sound
like a chicken.
FULFORD: No. I'm going to get
these people if no one else does. If they don't agree to my
terms, they are doomed. And they know it. They have the
intelligence agents.
You people out there, you
don't know because you don't have access. You don't know if
I'm lying, if I'm a crazy guy, but they do. People in the CIA,
the NSA, Mossad, they know I'm not kidding. This society is
real. And they are moving.
So they realize this is not a
bluff. This a promise. They must stop their crazy games.
What these people are trying
to do - I know it sounds insane. They are trying to
artificially create Armageddon. They are trying to make people
believe these are end times, by slaughtering people through
disease and famine.
I believe they even have, I
know this will sound a bit crazy and you will start wondering
about me, but they have some kind of microwave weapon that can
heat up underground water near earthquake-prone zones, and
trigger earthquakes.
RENSE: Oh, I believe it. If
that particular technology is true, it's probably one of two
or three. They can do it with harmonic resonance, with
sonic-based weapons and devices. There are a lot of ways,
apparently, to get earthquake faults to move.
FULFORD: So what I'm getting,
the feeling is these people are trying to artificially create
the appearance of end times, just like in the Bible, and fool
everybody.
RENSE: They seem to be playing
to that script.
FULFORD: And you must not be
fooled, because this has nothing to do with anything spiritual
or otherworldly. This is right here on this earth.
And the cults these people
represent, they have been known by folklore over the years.
You have to start with Nimrod, the Babylonian tyrant. Then
Hammurabi.
Hammurabi is known to the Jews
as Abraham - a Babylonian tyrant. A slave driver. These people
have had a secret sect of slave drivers that is almost six
thousand years old.
They have very, very
sophisticated methods. They use secrecy, murder, bribery and
ridicule as their main weapons. They have had a very good run,
but this is checkmate for them, as far as I am concerned.
They are not going to get away
with this. They'd better realize it. It's game up. They've
been exposed. People know about them. They are onto their
game. And it's not going to work.
All you've got to do is target
the Eye. Hollywood - the people in Hollywood have been trying
to warn the Americans for years! If you look at Tolkien's
movie, you have this Eye on the top of a mountain. Destroy the
Eye and save the world.
Or [destroy] the masters.
Stanley Kubrick gave up his life to expose these people.
So you've got to remember this
isn't [associated with] the Jews. The Jews are your best
friends in fighting these people, because they've been their
biggest victims over the years.
RENSE: Well, we're talking
about Zionists here, not Jews.
FULFORD: Exactly. I'm talking
about a specific - well, yeah, you can call them Zionists. I
think at a higher level it is a very secretive sect of people
who are pretending they are Gods.
RENSE: What happened to
Stanley Kubrick? I don't mean the precise cause of death, but
where was he going that got him into trouble with these
people?
FULFORD: It was the movie Eyes
Wide Shut, exposing the Masonic orgies. They showed that there
were people being killed. This is probably based on real
events.
I haven't done the proper
research, but there is an old man who dies in Eyes Wide Shut.
If I'm not mistaken, the man in the movie died exactly the way
Stanley Kubrick died in real life, just as he finished the
movie.
RENSE: It is also suggested
that Kubrick was involved in creating the - at least some
hoaxed Apollo moon footage, and knew all about that. His wife
has intimated as much since his death.
FULFORD: In 1938, on April
Fool's Day, they had the War of the Worlds on radio, with
Orson Welles. All sorts of people believed it. So, they said
"Ha! This is a tool we can use. People will believe anything
if it's on the media."
RENSE: Well, I think the
media, then, with the work of Edward L. Bernays, began its
ascendancy. It has become the most powerful tool of human
oppression, social engineering, programming and mind control
that has ever been on the planet.
FULFORD: One of the most
important instances of mind control is association. What they
do, for example, with this holocaust stuff, is they show you
something so horrible that everybody is disgusted. Killing
innocent women and children in gas chambers, turning people
into soap, it's just so awful that you hate it. Anyone would.
RENSE: Of course, the soap
issue has been completely discounted, by the way.
FULFORD: That's not the point.
The point is they fill you with this horrible story. Then they
associate everything they don't want you to think about with
that.
So before I woke up to what
was happening to me - if somebody tells me about a secret
cartel of financiers who control the world's central banks, I
would have instantly said, "Oh, yeah, that's that anti-Semitic
thing. Oh, you're a Neo-Nazi. You want to kill people. Oh my
God, you're horrible. I can't talk to you."
And then the conversation
shuts down. That's how they do it! That's the kind of
mind-wash or brain control [they use] through association.
RENSE: The Illuminati
controllers have been bleeding the world's populace for a long
time. They are real good at it. What is it about your message
that you think their ego will back down enough to take
seriously? You laid the numbers out there. Is it going to take
some kind of an example?
FULFORD: I hope not. I really
do. Even if you lose one assassin, this guy has got a family.
He's got people who love him. He's going to be a suicide
mission for sure.
[Bumper music]
We'd rather not have to do
that. And then his family has to be supportive. It's not a
nice thing to kill people.
RENSE: No, it isn't.
FULFORD: It's really a last
resort.
RENSE: All right. Stand by,
Ben. We'll take a break and come right back with Benjamin
Fulford. Again, the Asia-Pacific bureau chief for Forbes
magazine, for eight years. Take a look on his website, click
on his article at <http://rense.com/>Rense.com.
It's a remarkable
conversation. If it is true, of course it changes the balance
of power dynamics on this planet. Incredible. Time will tell.
We'll be right back.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay, we're back. There
are, of course, an awful lot of people around the world
listening right now who will continue to read Henry Makow,
Ph.D.'s story about Ben Fulford.
We'll have more from Ben at
<http://rense.com/>Rense.com. And they are probably cheering
for this, or certainly entertaining this concept, this
program, with a great deal of guarded optimism, shall we say.
It would be nice to see that the status quo, which is quite
clearly hell-bent on creating an Armageddon, could be stopped
somehow.
Okay, Ben. A lot of things to
touch on. You want to do any follow up on anything in
particular?
FULFORD: One thing, getting
back to G.T. The 20th century was supposed to be a century of
wonder. Unlimited free electricity.
RENSE: Tesla, of course, was
the man who had that, and offered it to us, but it was not
allowed to be accepted.
FULFORD: That's right. That's
part of why they killed my great grandfather - he was going to
finance Tesla. So they turned it into a century of horror.
They need war and they need fear to control people.
If things get too peaceful,
then they cannot keep things under control.
What has happened - and this
is important, this is the big rift, the [Rothschild] Global
Warming / [Rockefeller] War on Terror thing.
The radical faction, who wants
to go ahead with Armageddon, are the War on Terror people.
They're all a lie, basically. Another faction [is saying],
"Okay, look. The plan to create a world government, with
Jerusalem as its capital, is just not going to work right now.
It's much easier to make the EU a central world government."
The thing you must understand
about communism, the EU and even capitalism, as it is now
practiced in the United States - they are all forms of
disguising true central control. In other words, it's all
different forms of Babylonian tyranny.
We can see through that to the
essence. And the essence is to look at where the money is
coming from. Finance.
I was a financial journalist
for 20 years, and it took me a long time to figure out that
finance is just propaganda. What finance really means is the
human process of deciding what to do in the future. It's the
idea of "How do we navigate into the future?" And that has
been stolen from us by these people. That's why they need to
control the central banks.
RENSE: Well, they want us to
feel helpless, of course.
FULFORD: People work for
money, and they control the money. That's how they control the
society. People who say the wrong things get fired, or killed,
or marginalized. Or, invited in. That's how they control. It's
through money.
If Jesus Christ were alive
today - when Jesus was alive, he went to the temple and he
overturned the money changers' temple. If he were alive today
he'd go to the Fed and he'd unplug the mainframe. That's what
he would do.
RENSE: Unplug the mainframe.
Liberate the planet.
FULFORD: Absolutely. They say,
"All right, enough of this, we're going to figure out a new
way."
RENSE: Well, if something
doesn't happen soon, we're all going to hell in a handbasket.
It looks pretty grim, as you well know.
FULFORD: The United States is
in a particularly grim situation, but fortunately the rest of
the world is much freer, and we're going to help the United
States.
RENSE: I've heard that. We are
the black hole of the planet in some respects, I guess.
FULFORD: Think about it. The
endgame. These people are desperate. Cheney, Bush, they have
18 months left. The whole country has turned against them.
Even the puppets in Congress. People are onto the fact that
they were put in there by people with money, not by people
with votes.
RENSE: They completely turned
into something else when they showed up in Washington DC.
Their constituents no longer matter. The betrayal factor here
is off the scale! It's unbelievable. The treasonous behavior
of Congress, the traitorous actions of those at the highest
levels of government is almost unimaginable.
FULFORD: We have to remember -
these people are scared. They are being threatened with murder
at the highest levels - people like Edward Kennedy. These
people, they killed General Patton, they killed the Kennedys,
they killed Martin Luther King. They murder.
Most decent people who want to
go into politics think about making people's lives better.
They don't know how to deal with a gang of murderers -
especially a very old, sophisticated group of gangsters.
RENSE: That's a very good
point. It's gangsters. That's what's running the show. You're
right.
FULFORD: And that's why you
need gangsters to fight gangsters. This is where these Asian
people come in. They know how to do a gang war. The first
phase, which is what I have initiated right now, is the
shouting match. We say, "Look. You'd better listen." And if
they don't listen, then we go to the next phase.
RENSE: What's the timetable on
this, Ben?
FULFORD: I cannot discuss
that. You can't let people know what you're going to do. But I
will tell you something interesting.
There is a force of three
thousand ninja assassins. Now these ninjas are a two thousand
year old cult - a school of martial arts. One of their
specialties is sneaking into fortified compounds and murdering
important people. The thing about these ninjas is they are
white people - they are not Asians - and they are working for
the US Special Forces.
They were trained by the
Japanese. They understand the true state of power in the US,
and they are willing to act when the time comes.
So I hope you're listening out
there, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Rockefeller. We have someone close
to each of you. You can be turned into dead meat in a matter
of hours. I am not bluffing.
And I am hoping it doesn't
come to that. I am a decent human being. I am a journalist. I
do not want any death. Not one.
But if it comes to it, they
will all be slaughtered. They will be hunted down like beasts.
Every one of them will be killed. Until they agree to the
terms I mentioned before.
RENSE: How does the Chinese
government interface with this, if at all?
FULFORD: Well, they have
people right up to the highest levels of the Chinese
government in the society. They do have areas where their
interests coincide, and one of them, of course, is stopping
genocide.
Right now, they are not
fighting the Chinese government. They are therefore kind of
semi-tolerated. Right now there is a state of an uneasy truce.
But, as I said, they are separate. They have separate
headquarters and a totally separate history.
When it comes to stopping
genocide, they are in total agreement. I am sure that the
Chinese government's resources could be made available to us,
if it came to that.
RENSE: Given that your
organization - that to which you purport to represent - is
threatening, apparently, people with death, could that not be
construed by the Department of Homeland Security - not that I
expect to hear your knees knocking with fear - as some sort of
terrorism being issued over this program?
FULFORD: It's not terrorism.
It's saying, "If you don't stop killing people, if you don't
stop killing us, we will have to defend ourselves."
It's not terrorism to defend
yourself. It's self-defense. They are doing the killing. They
are the ones out there murdering people and carrying on
genocide. They are the ones who are planning this incredible
mass slaughter, not us.
So if there are any
terrorists, you know who they are. It's the Illuminati. They
are the real terrorists. Everybody knows that by now.
We are trying to stop
terrorism. Our point is, we don't want to kill a single
person. Nobody. Not one.
RENSE: And you have,
apparently, presented a method by which that can be achieved -
without anyone dying.
FULFORD: Think about the
one-dollar bill. You have the eye on the pyramid. The eye
represents the people who kept the human race in the job of
pyramid building, right? What you have to do - this is very
important - it is very, very centralized, this thing. Target
the eye.
Forget about their flunkies.
Forget about their employees, their servants. They just have
no choice. They are innocent. Even the people on the Council
of Foreign Relations, the Bilderbergers - most of them are
decent people who would really not like to be part of this,
but they had no choice.
So the trick is to go right to
the very, very top.
RENSE: Dr. John Coleman (ph),
in his book, "Conspirators: Hierarchy of the Committee of
300," did name names for the first time years ago. The book is
in its fourth or fifth edition now. And it was quite
centralized.
Now did you turn over a list
of people to this secret society at one point?
FULFORD: Oh yeah. There are a
lot of these lists in Japan, but basically it's all the
descendants of the original banking families who put together
the Fed. It's all the male descendants, okay? They won't kill
females.
The expanded - the other
Illuminati families, you know the names. The Warburgs, the
Morgans, Schiffs, et cetera - everybody knows the names. The
Bilderbergers, the Council of Foreign Relations, Skull and
Bones, Scroll and Key, all these people [have top Illuminati
members in their groups].
The point is that what they do
- the trick is to start at the very highest level and work
your way down. They don't want to kill anybody, if possible.
Let's keep it to the minimum, if possible. But, if necessary,
if it's the only way to stop the killing of hundreds and
hundreds of millions of people, which is what they're trying
to do...
RENSE: Billions.
FULFORD: Billions! Yeah, they
are trying to kill billions of people. This is not a joke.
This is reality!
...Then you have to stop them!
You have no other choice. It is self-defense. It is not
terrorism.
RENSE: In Japan, have you made
this public yet, Benjamin, or are you doing it here for the
first time?
FULFORD: Yes. It has been made
public in Japan. They know about it. It is in my latest book.
It came out about a month ago. There is a lot of stuff going
on here.
I have been in contact with
the Japanese secret government. They are cooperating with me.
I repeat. Their point is that
they like the US society, they like Americans, they like the
United States. They don't want to pick a fight with America.
If there is some way of freeing them from the Rockefellers and
these Illuminati, they would love that to happen.
That is where they are coming
from. So they are cooperating, to a certain extent. The
negotiations are ongoing as to how to do this.
But the plan I have given
them, and I have presented on your website, is we make contact
with Russia, China, India - countries that are not controlled
by Illuminati pawns - Latin American countries - everybody in
the world, basically - we all get together and we say, "Enough
is enough."
[Bumper music]
And just like that. It's like
pulling down the Iron Curtain, or pulling away the curtain
that is hiding the Wizard of Oz.
RENSE: Knocking down the
Berlin Wall.
FULFORD: Yeah. All it takes is
for the people to say, "Wait a minute! Enough is enough."
Expose these people, show them to the world. Let people know
who they are and what they are doing. They will be stopped.
RENSE: Right.
FULFORD: The other thing is
the lower-down people. For example, the people who support a
world government based in the EU, they think it's about human
rights and justice and law.
RENSE: About ten seconds to
the break. Real quick.
FULFORD: They are all chumps.
The people who support them. Many of them. They don't know
what's going on.
RENSE: Okay. Stand by, Ben.
We'll take a break and come back. Hour number three coming up
in just a few minutes.
[Break]
-HOUR THREE-
RENSE: Okay, we're back with
Benjamin Fulford, former Asia-Pacific bureau chief with Forbes
magazine for nearly eight years.
A Chinese secret society has
issued, through Mr. Fulford, a life-or-death ultimatum for the
Illuminati to stop the genocide, back off and change course -
about 180 degrees.
The Chinese also feel,
according to Mr. Fulford, that SARS was, in fact, a biological
weapon deployed to attempt to reduce the Chinese population by
an extraordinary number of people. It didn't work for a
variety of reasons, but it was clearly and specifically able
to affect and infect those of Asian descent.
Again, look at the numbers of
people in Canada who died of SARS. You can probably do a
Google search on pictures of those people and see. It's about
95 percent Asian.
Okay. Our conversation has
covered some extraordinary information so far. We have about
another hour to go. There are many places to go, but Ben I
hear you wanting to say something, so go right ahead.
FULFORD: Sure. I just want to
make a point. You know William Shatner, the guy who played
Captain Kirk on the Starship Enterprise? He was a Canadian.
And as a Canadian, I would be proud to serve on a US ship like
Enterprise. You know, "Flying where no man has gone before?"
The Kennedy America.
That's what the world wants to
see again. That's what everybody is wishing for. So when I see
Americans captured by robber barons, and subjected to Freudian
/ Pavlovian mind control...
RENSE: No better example than
September 11th.
FULFORD: Yes. I have to fight
to the death to help free my American brothers and sisters, if
it comes to that.
Everybody wants America to be
free from these people, including the Americans. When you
really come down to it, it is a small number. All you have to
do is expose them. That's the key. People have to know who
they are and what they're up to. That's it. It could be like
the Velvet Revolution - a bloodless end to this.
That's what I'm offering them.
And that's what the American people should quickly realize.
They can do it. They don't have to worry about fighting black
helicopters or policemen or anything like that. These people
are just as much victims as everybody else.
RENSE: Now the black
helicopters notwithstanding, the American public is not going
to have to become directly involved in this if what you're
saying is on the table now. The gauntlet is down, the
challenge has been made. Americans need to...
FULFORD: That's it. We'll try
peaceful methods. So the plan I gave to the Japanese
government is, we get the Russians, the Chinese, the Indians,
everybody on Earth, basically, to say "Enough is enough." It
should just be a matter of announcing the fact that we will
not buy any more US government bonds until the US government
decides to change course.
RENSE: Could the Chinese
effectively decimate the American economy at this point with
the holdings they have, and the control they do have, over
American economic and business interests?
FULFORD: Of course. There are
ten times more dollars circulating around the world than the
US economy is worth.
If people said, "Okay, we
don't believe this dollar thing anymore", or better still, if
they stopped using oil and started burning water, and other
fuels, that would end it.
The thing is, I personally
believe the US is depending on the armed forces to be the
greatest force for good in the history of humankind.
It's not who they are, it's
the organization. It's the job they've been given. They should
be out there stopping poverty and environmental destruction
rather than stealing oil for robber barons.
RENSE: Speaking of robber
barons, when Dov Zakheim (ph) was in charge of the Pentagon
budget, some three TRILLION dollars vanished. No one has been
able to track that yet. No one is even trying!
FULFORD: There is a huge
underground secret budget which they are using for this
Armageddon plan. People need to find out about this.
They are going to try to put
on quite a show, and really try to fool everybody, thinking
these are end times. That's where I believe that money went to
- some kind of huge smoke-and-mirrors show, on a global scale.
It will make 9/11 look like child's play.
RENSE: That's what most people
are expecting who are watching this carefully. Something that
big will have to happen to scare the wits out of what is left
of American independence into utter subservience and
domination.
And it probably would work.
Given the fact that the electronic media is so overwhelmingly
oppressive in its own right, and clever, and domineering...
FULFORD: Remember, there are
six people who control these media.
RENSE: Six corporations,
that's right.
FULFORD: Yeah, but it's six
people, really, when you come down to it.
Actually I'd like to take this
time now to direct a message to Rupert Murdoch and Lord
Thompson of Fleet (ph). I strongly suggest to them that they
confirm, through their own sources, that I am not bluffing -
that this society is real.
Mr. Murdoch can call anyone
senior in the Taiwanese government, for example, or Mr.
Thompson could ask personal columnists in the Tokyo bureau,
and they can provide him with the proof.
They know that they would have
to either stop applying propaganda to the American people, or
find a deep hole and hide in it.
They will realize this is not
a bluff. These people are real. Mr. Murdoch has good Chinese
connections. They will realize that the attire has changed.
They will start providing people with the truth.
Mr. Murdoch, I think he will
do whatever the powers-that-be want. He doesn't have any
personal agenda. If he realizes he will be protected, I think
he is willing to turn.
RENSE: It's hard to believe
Fox News telling us the truth, but yeah, okay.
FULFORD: He says it's his
business. He was here in Tokyo a while ago. He said, "Yeah,
look. I saw a Mossad marketplace. I saw Nice, I saw the De
Merde (ph), and so I went for it.
I don't think he believes
anything Fox News says personally - it's just business for
him. He does something similar for the Chinese - what appeals
to Chinese phobia. It's just business for him.
RENSE: You wrote a book about
September 11th in Japan. How did it sell? Pretty well?
FULFORD: Yeah. 80,000 copies.
RENSE: That's a best-seller
six times over back in the States.
FULFORD: It was very
influential. There was a big 9/11 conference here, and I've
had a couple of TV shows about 9/11 here on network TV, of all
things. The Japanese are much quicker to catch on to stuff
like this than the Americans. They have been subjected to a
different type of brain control than the Americans.
What happened after World War
II for the Japanese is they were subjected to this 'fallen'
kind of mind control.
First of all, they were given
an inferiority complex towards white people. They were made
passive. They were made so they didn't have opinion. They work
hard, and think that America is a wonderful, wonderful
country.
Any time anyone got too
smart... the other thing is they made sure there would be no
geniuses. This is how they keep Japan under control. Then when
people do get smart, they either co-opt them or they kill
them.
RENSE: You're talking about
the Rockefellers.
FULFORD: Yeah. They've had to
kill at least four Prime Ministers in the post-war era.
RENSE: In Henry Makow's
article that was one of the most interesting claims. Four
dead, and over 200, I guess, major Japanese figures.
FULFORD: I've interviewed
seven Japanese prime ministers. Captains of industry, members
of security police, senior gangsters. I have very good
sources. I have everything on tape. I have enough evidence to
convict David Rockefeller of at least three murders related to
the recent takeover of the Japanese banking system.
This is how I got into this.
This is why I got so deep inside. I followed the trail, all
the way up until I actually hit the finance minister. That's
when suddenly I was given this gold badge, which is the analog
version of the gold chip I guess they're planning to put in
there - you know, in their elite servants.
What they've done to the
Japanese people is truly horrible. Everyone thinks it was a
wonderful thing. The Japanese people love the American people.
They do. But at the same time, they hate the Rockefellers, and
they think of them as these horrible dictators who are tyrants
to both the Americans and the Japanese.
RENSE: The other losers of
World War II, the German people, have paid a terrible price as
well, of course.
FULFORD: Well yeah. I learned
that from your website. They killed all those people after the
war!
RENSE: Yeah. Millions.
FULFORD: What they did to
Germany was absolutely horrible too. They like to talk about
the holocaust. Right now there are 48 million people dying of
starvation every year. So many more times the holocaust,
happening right now! They're not doing anything about it!
RENSE: No, it doesn't even
make the papers over here.
FULFORD: The Pentagon, like I
said before, can be the greatest force for good in human
history. All you have to do is give them the job of saving the
planet.
The amount of money... how I
got into this whole thread in the first place is I realized
the Japanese could end poverty and stop all environmental
destruction, and have change left over, if they just used
their surplus to heal the planet.
When I asked them why they
didn't, I ended up finding out it was because they were a
slave people, and they would be murdered if they tried to
spend their own money that way.
I do believe the people in the
Pentagon would love to go and save the planet. They would be
much happier with that job than killing people for robber
barons.
[Bumper music]
I'm asking people now. I'm
calling for people, loyal Americans, the CIA, the NSA, people
in the Pentagon: take your country back. Realize that the
democracy is in danger, and your oath is to the Constitution,
not to the dictators. Not to the bankers.
RENSE: Well, that's a key
expression which I made mention of many times, as did
thousands of other Americans on this Fourth of July just
passed - that we should all read the Constitution and the Bill
of Rights again. Especially the people we voted for and sent
to Washington to represent our country and our local areas.
Back in a few minutes with Benjamin Fulford, live from Tokyo.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay. Talking with
Benjamin Fulford. September 11th. We know quite a lot about it
over here. There is a lot of disinformation, as you know, on
the Internet. Government agents, agents provocateurs, trying
to muddy the waters - but we've got a pretty good handle on
the thing. How did it look to you over there, and what are
your thoughts about who was behind it - directly, or
indirectly, or both?
FULFORD: I think this was
something they had planned for a long time.
RENSE: An Illuminati
operation, in other words.
FULFORD: Yes. An Illuminati
operation.
The thing that really stops
most people, who still don't know what 9/11 is... they say
"Wait a minute! This happened to me too. How come the New York
Times doesn't write about it? Why isn't it on the TV?"
RENSE: Somehow, Americans have
got to be shaken out of that stupor and understand that those
media are controlled by, as you say, essentially six people.
And that's the real problem here. Opposition of the government
to the killers, to the gangsters, has no platform. They are
shut out of the mainstream media.
They have got the Internet,
which of course is rampant with all kinds of operators and
people who are out to do nothing other than slander, libel,
cause fights and issue false data. So it's a tough one for
people to get through. Without the Internet, it would probably
be over by now.
FULFORD: It is the Internet
and websites like yours that help people like me figure out
what is going on.
RENSE: Well, thank you.
FULFORD: What happened to me
was I got exposed to the corruption in Japan. I started as a
financial journalist, and I realized that all the bad debt was
controlled by gangsters, which really didn't make sense.
Hundreds of billions of dollars, controlled by gangsters?
So I went and I started
talking to the gangsters - the Japanese gangsters. And they
told me they were middle men. They take a 30 percent
commission. I said, "How are the billions of dollars
disappearing somewhere? "
I followed the thread and
realized the Japanese government was totally corrupt.
Everything we were reading about in the Japanese newspapers
was a lie. I wrote two chapters of a book that was going to be
so explosive, and it was in English - that I would have to
either leave Japan or be killed.
I sent them to my agent. The
next day I get a call from the granddaughter of the Meiji
emperor. Out of the blue! She said, "You know, you should not
get the Yakuza angry." Right?
And she told me that a goddess
had called to intervene, and to tell me [this]. It turned out
that the 'goddess' was the Japanese security police. They
obviously had been looking at my email. But they said, "You
don't understand what's really going on." She gave me this
Yvonne Kleist (ph) video, In Plane Site.
As soon as she gave me that, I
said, "Oh, no, no, no. This is anti-Semitic nonsense. I'm not
going to watch this. How can this lady, she is a princess -
how can she believe stuff like this?"
She kept bugging me, so I
watched it. I've been an investigative journalist for twenty
years. I know the difference between true information and BS.
So I started a long term of research.
Once I was sure this was a
government plot, my next thought was, "Oh my God, how could it
be so big? This is too huge to comprehend. The amount of
people that would have to be involved is vast!"
Then the truth is so big, and
so horrendous, that people just hide from it. I basically
think you have to go all the way back, as I said, to Hammurabi
- the original Babylonian dictator. The cult of leadership.
The Freemasons, their history goes right back there. It's a
collective of slave drivers.
These are the people who
literally did have people make pyramids. And they controlled
them by controlling their food supply. And now they control
them by controlling their money supply.
Their history is so long, and
their techniques are so sophisticated. Folklore has been aware
of these people. They have called them different names over
the years. Beelzebub. Mammon. Set. Lucifer. Satan.
But there is nothing
otherworldly or metaphysical about them. This is a real group
of people. An ancient sect of Babylonian slave drivers. And
that's the hard truth. They want to enslave the entire planet.
That's what they're trying to do - and we must stop them.
People have to know. This is
how deep you have to go in history. I believe Jesus Christ was
a rebel against these people. He was one of their enemies,
because he said all men are created equal, and free before
God, and you should love thy neighbor. Stuff like that. And
take care of the poor.
RENSE: Other great beings have
issued the same message, of course, in history.
FULFORD: Absolutely. Mohammed,
I think, kicked them out of a huge [area] - the Islamic world,
basically. Czarist Russia fought them for a very long time,
and now they are free again. There are a lot of free
countries. Italy should come out with the pizza (ph) scandal.
That's a great scandal to look at to see what's going on.
RENSE: People over in the
States don't know anything about that. That was a monumental
development, a monumental watershed in Italian history.
Hammurabi, Abraham, a secret
Jewish sect, a Zionist sect becoming an Illuminati sect. What
about that? How do we... you're going all the way back, so...
FULFORD: You have to follow
the thread. If you think about what Moses did, this is my
understanding of it. They dumped a lot of poisonous red
mineral into the Nile River. And that poisoned the crops.
That's why you have the story of the Nile running red.
It was a slave revolt. He
was... it was a fight between two different slave drivers. He
was using eco-terrorism. He slaughtered lots of Egyptians and
eventually lost. They fled into what is now Israel. They were
then kicked out by the Romans and scattered all over the
place.
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RENSE: Is this the same group,
Ben, that has been kicked out by virtually every developed
society on record?
FULFORD: Yes. The Jews have
been enslaved by them, but it's not a Jewish thing, really.
It's more secret than that. They are hidden even from the
Jews.
RENSE: When you study World
War II, and the involvement of Zionism with the holocaust, we
see it quite clearly. Stand by just for a minute or two. We
have to take a break. We will come right back with Mr.
Benjamin Fulford, live from Tokyo.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay. Let's get right
back to Mr. Ben Fulford, talking about some pretty amazing
things. His great grandfather, a benefactor of Nikola Tesla,
was murdered for his efforts.
Tesla, it is said by some, was
kept basically in the last several decades of his life, almost
a prisoner, in a way. All of his work was watched. It was a
pretty unfortunate way to end a brilliant life like that, for
one of the great men in history.
FULFORD: Yes. The 20th century
was a total tragedy. It should have been... humanity was on
the verge of something like a Cambrian explosion.
When you have unlimited free
energy, the possibilities are so mind-boggling that you can't
even fully understand. It would be just wonderful. It would be
like everyone is a billionaire!
RENSE: Well, the potential is
there, you're right, to create the beginning, and in fact
establish a Golden Age for humanity in the last century. But
instead, how many millions, a hundred million died in wars? At
least.
FULFORD: At least 100 million.
The Americans killed I don't know how many tens of millions
after the war. And more importantly, they suppressed
technology.
RENSE: Oh, there is so much
there. We have had videos recently, Ben, of one man. He's done
a television station. He was able to pull hydrogen right out
of salt water and burn it right on the spot. The energy is all
there.
FULFORD: Yes. The Japanese had
that technology 30 years ago!
RENSE: Right.
FULFORD: Another technology
they have, that is being suppressed, is you can generate
unlimited energy by taking advantage of the difference in
temperature between the surface of the ocean and the bottom.
RENSE: That's called
geothermal exchange. Right.
FULFORD: Yes. You pump methane
down to the bottom of the ocean. It turns into liquid. Then it
comes up and it turns into gas again, and you get infinite
electricity. And rivers run fresh water.
RENSE: And the same thing on
land with geothermal. But yeah, there are so many out there,
and they are clearly all being mothballed and locked away.
They have no plans for us other than slavery. That's their
plan!
FULFORD: If you talk to that
guy who burned water in Florida, just see what's happened to
him since. I think he's had some pretty troubling visitors.
RENSE: They almost all
seemingly do. Some have died unusually early deaths as well.
Others just vanish and you hope they have not been killed.
There are so many stories I have seen like this over the
years. They were pulling electricity out of the ground in the
1870s and 80s, for goodness sakes. I mean, it's there.
FULFORD: Yeah. It's a crime.
They are trying to lobotomize the human race and stop human
progress.
RENSE: They're doing a pretty
good job of it. So far the Chinese, by the way, had, as you
know - I don't know if you remember the year. I think it was
about 2001. They had a goal of putting a television set in
every household in China - because that is the instrument of
oppression, of manipulation, of control, of conditioning, of
shaping, of molding.
FULFORD: Sure. But you know
what? The Chinese have their own idea for democracy. You
cannot totally write it off. What they are saying is the
democracy using paper every four years is kind of low-tech and
out of date.
You can have real-time, live
democracy on the Internet, through opinion polls and chat
rooms. That's a much better way of making sure public opinion
is reflected in public policy.
RENSE: Well, that's
electronic. It's all something that can be manipulated if it
is electronic. But, you raise a good point. And if it were
somehow guaranteed to be legitimate, it would be fascinating.
Let me ask you a question.
What do you and your backers think of Vladimir Putin and
Russia standing tall against the Rothschilds over the issue of
the missiles in Europe and other East-West problems?
They have refused now to
extradite the Russian businessman who the British - and
Berezovsky, the Rothschilds - say was the murderer of
Litivinenko with Polonium 210. They want to extradite the man.
So there are really some very,
very big power dynamics at work with respect to Russia, their
new technology, and Vladimir Putin, who is stepping down next
year, although many Russians would prefer he stay, I would
suggest. But what do you think of it?
FULFORD: I think what he's
done is great. He kicked out Berezovsky.
By the way, my friend and the
former Forbes Moscow bureau chief was shot ten times in
Russia, taken to the hospital and died in the elevator. The
elevator stopped, and it was stuck for eight minutes. That's
where he died - and he was investigating Berezovsky before he
died. We don't know if Berezovsky did it, but I suspect him.
These were all Rockefeller /
Rothschild proxies. Berezovsky, Khorokovsky (ph), and Eslin
(ph). By kicking them out, he freed Russia. This is a huge
accomplishment.
There was a Japanese
politician by the name of Koki Ishii, who married a Russian
woman and was in close with the Russian government. He was
stabbed through the heart with a sword in front of his house.
But before he died, he was given a manuscript by Putin's
former boss in the KGB. He wanted it translated into Japanese,
to let people know what happened in Russia - how they freed
[their country] from these Illuminati.
Although the book hasn't been
translated into Japanese yet, his daughter Tanya conveyed the
gist of it to me. So I know that Putin is not an Illuminati
agent.
We will be making contact with
Putin later, and maybe he will hear through this that we have
a secret, six million man army that is willing to align with
him to put an end to this madness.
RENSE: Well, quite clearly the
Rothschilds and the Illuminati view Russia as the prize that
got away, and they want it back.
I think the ejection of the
oligarchs that you've touched on, that I've touched on and
described in great detail with guests on this program for a
long time now - is one of the most important geo-political,
socio-cultural, national issues of our time.
I mean, this is a monumental
change, what happened in Russia!
FULFORD: Yeah. They have been
free for the first time since 1917!
RENSE: And they remember who
enslaved them, and who ground the life out of them for nearly
the better part of a century. And they don't like those people
at all.
FULFORD: Yeah. And we're going
to ally with them. The other thing is I believe the Japanese
are also about to kick them out. And that will be it. It will
be the end for these people. I believe we are at the endgame.
RENSE: That goes hand in hand
with what you're saying about "they're desperate."
FULFORD: Yes. If these people
end, I think literally it would be such a big change that it
would be worth calling it the New Age. It really would,
because humanity would suddenly have so much potential freed.
These people, they are trying to lobotomize and suppress
technology; they distort academics and science.
[Bumper music]
They fund all the academics to
publish their propaganda, and ostracize those who don't.
When we start reading New
Scientist magazine, which is an orthodox science magazine,
about congressmen getting involved in trying to stop someone
who is researching desktop fusion, you realize something is
very wrong. It's like Galileo being called up in front of the
Inquisition.
What these people are doing is
not only criminal, it's stupid! They could be so much richer
than they are now, and so much more powerful, just by
releasing all human potential.
RENSE: What they're doing is
essentially killing the goose that is laying the golden eggs
for them. Your point is well taken. Stand by, Ben, we'll take
a break, and come right back in just a few minutes.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay. We're back. Ben,
anybody who studies the larger issues of "pulling the big
scam" comes up with one of the most prominent potential
scenarios being the ET card, or the extraterrestrial invasion
trump card. The fake ET invasion, with some advanced
technology.
What do you know about... and
anyone, I should hasten to add, who has studied the issue of
ET visitation honestly and objectively will come away with the
conclusion that it is quite obvious we are being visited
routinely and regularly by any number of different intelligent
beings, races, species. What is your take on it over there?
FULFORD: There is a guy who
did the research years ago who said the Universe is 14 billion
years old, and it should have been filled up with aliens long
ago.
I am assuming, if I were an ET
and I saw the planet Earth, I would quarantine it.
RENSE: [Laughs] Or bring
tourists here for a laugh, yeah.
FULFORD: But yeah, it's too
dangerous. Also, it's a precious little ecosystem, and they
don't want to interfere. They want to let it evolve according
to its own wishes, but they would love humanity to free
themselves.
Now the Japanese Freemasons,
who invited me to join, said there was a planned rival of a
fleet of UFOs. It sounded, to me, crazy - the Rockefellers,
you know, were going to secretly manufacture this fleet of
UFOs to fake an Armageddon and alien landing scenario.
So I would assume, if there
are aliens out there watching us, they feel sorry for us. They
are hoping, cheering for us, hoping we can get rid of these
bastards. And then they will think that maybe the Earth is
safe enough that they can end the quarantine. That would be my
take on it. But I am not an expert in this field.
RENSE: I understand. It is a
potential manipulating device that has been talked about for
years.
FULFORD: I interviewed
[Admiral] Bobby Inman, former head of the NSA. I asked him
about the Rockefellers and the secret societies. Right away,
he said, "Are you a UFO guy?"
RENSE: That was one of the
first things he said to you?
FULFORD: Yeah! I wasn't asking
him about that. I was asking him about the Rockefellers, the
secret societies and the NSA, and their relationship - and he
says, "Are you a UFO guy?"
So I think what they try to do
is they try to put some really wacky ideas [out there] and
pack them all together with the real stuff, to make people not
believe it. So this stuff about reptilian people that David
Icke is pushing, I think that's disinformation made to turn
most people off from this whole idea that there is a vast
conspiracy.
So I try to stay away from
that, and stick to the planet Earth and what I can see right
in front of me. When the aliens come, if they come, then it
will be known to everybody.
RENSE: It is also known that
the Chinese have an extraordinary number of people who are
actively investigating this particular issue. I think one
organization has over 50 thousand members. So they take it
very seriously over there.
FULFORD: Here in Japan too.
There are a lot of our people who - there is a place near
Mount Fuji where they go to watch UFOs. They can see a lot of
them. There are a lot of weird movies. I think there is a
military secret testing ground there too, where they can see
some of these.
Remember, they also use the
UFO story to hide...
RENSE: All kinds of
technology. It's a perfect screen.
FULFORD: Sure. The Stealth
planes they were flying for 20 years before they announced
them to the public. Who knows what they have got? So you have
to be very careful with this stuff. I try to make sure that I
talk in a way within the parameters of people in the
mainstream...
RENSE: You have to. If you're
going to be a smart and effective journalist, you have to.
What else did Inman say? He,
of course, of the SAIC fame. That's CIA's backwards, with an
S. That's the corporation he was in.
FULFORD: Interesting. He said
a lot of stuff. He was a member of the Trilateral Commission.
This comes up in a lot of these conspiracy theories. I've
talked to members of the Trilateral Commission.
What happened was that
Bilderberg was racist. So the Rockefellers said "We need
something where we can talk to the Japanese in secret too."
The Bilderbergers didn't want them in their club, which was a
white man's club. So they set up this other one.
But the Japanese who were
members tell me they wouldn't even listen to their advice
anyway. So it is kind of dysfunctional, the Trilateral
Commission. Inman himself, he told me, "I was a member, but it
was pointless. It was powerless, so I quit."
RENSE: Really!
FULFORD: Yeah. But he said, "I
am also a member of the Bohemian Grove. Yeah, I go there every
year and I give them my big spiel. We go there to have fun.
What's the harm?" That's the story he's giving me. Of course
he won't tell me what he said in his spiel, you know.
RENSE: Or talk about the owl,
or the Cremation of Care, or any of the other rituals.
FULFORD: He revealed their
whole scenario of bioterrorism and starvation...
RENSE: What did he say about
bioterrorism? Did he say it was a viable thing and they were
worried about it, or was he...
FULFORD: It was something they
were worried about in the future, together with starvation,
you know?
RENSE: Hell, they could starve
people right now if they want to!
FULFORD: Well, Africa's got
this new wheat blight that is destroying all their...
RENSE: Ah, listen. Monsanto
and it's terminator seeds will make the world its instant
prisoner. Instant. And they're pushing it through now. You
have to buy the Monsanto seed every year, because your crops
can no longer seed themselves. Pretty clever control.
Then you've got genetic
modification of crops, which we know now is catastrophic for
the health of laboratory rats and, in all likelihood, people.
The evidence continues to pile up about that. The Western diet
is a fatal diet, over time, for anybody who engages in it, or
virtually anyone. We know about all these things.
What about chemtrails and the
spraying of the sky? We have not seen any photographs ever of
chemtrails from China, from Russia or from India.
FULFORD: There's none in Japan
either. They won't let 'em.
RENSE: All right. You know
about that. So you know about that, and you just said the
Japanese won't allow it.
FULFORD: That's right.
RENSE: Okay.
FULFORD: They don't have that
problem out here. But they do have a lot of hormones pumped
into their food supply, making men impotent.
RENSE: There are so many phyto-estrogens
in processed food now, processed soy and all kinds of foods
that are causing all kinds of problems in humans, and
certainly in the amphibian world as we know.
FULFORD: You heard the story
about Orientals having a small what-cha-ma-call it. They put
something in the makeup that women wore here which leads the
children to be born - the males - with small genitalia.
RENSE: Really?
FULFORD: They've been actually
trying to emasculate these people, filling their systems with
female hormones.
RENSE: It's said that they
won't need the act of sex to procreate in the near future
anyhow. They'll just grow it in a laboratory, whatever they
want. If there's anyone around at that point anyhow.
So without your people being
able to pull off their ultimatum - I'm not saying they can or
can't, I'm saying without that happening, it would seem that
the planet is in store for a hell of a population reduction,
continued environmental rape, pillage, plunder and looting,
and a potential complete collapse of the Earth's ecosystems.
FULFORD: Yes. That's what
these people are doing. And they think they are
environmentalists. The way they want to preserve the
environment is by getting rid of excess people and creating
wilderness zones.
RENSE: That's what Prince
Philip said. If he could come back and reincarnate as
something, you know the story. [He would be a lethal virus.]
FULFORD: You know, these
people are very high [ranking]. I'll send you later, I have a
flowchart of the Illuminati power structure.
Just to get back to that whole
thing of the people, once they were spread around by the
Romans, the secret society, they had useless skills. Emperors
loved to build monuments, and these people were monument
builders. And they were good at accounting, controlling the
finances.
So wherever they went, they
made themselves favored with kings. So their influence is
everywhere. They had their secret society. And again, this has
nothing to do with Jews. This is a secret satanic society,
whose members are atheists.
RENSE: Arch-atheists.
FULFORD: They got control of
some people in central Asia called the Khazars.
RENSE: Oh yeah. I know they
adopted Judaism in the ninth century. I know the story.
FULFORD: They were attacked by
the Mongols and the Russians, and their elite. Part of them
flooded into Europe...
RENSE: China, and the rest
went into Europe. They split, pretty much.
FULFORD: Right. And the ones
who went into Europe eventually intermarried with the royal
families. They got their big break when they started financing
all the royal families against Napoleon. They since
intermarried with all the older aristocracy, and have this
group of interbred families. And that's the Illuminati.
Their number one man is David
Rockefeller. Number two and three are Philip Rothschild and
Jay Rockefeller. Just remember those three names at the very
least. Don't forget David, Lord Carollton (ph) in England. We
all know who they are. That's the thing about them.
RENSE: We have just two
minutes. What is the role of the Catholic Church in all of
this, if any?
FULFORD: I believe the
Catholic Church has been fighting them. I went to a Jesuit
university. These guys wear second-hand clothing and live in
shaggy apartments. The Freemasons I've met all have huge
fortunes, and look like pigs. That tells me a lot.
I think the Catholic Church
has been fighting them, and I think they'll be an important
ally with Russia.
RENSE: Well, I don't know.
It's interesting to see them talking about Tony Blair's formal
conversion to Catholicism, and [how] the Pope is going to name
him to be the Papal envoy for peace in Jerusalem. If there's
any truth to that story, which was all widely circulated,
that's getting pretty weird.
FULFORD: The Roman Catholic
Church is a huge organization with many factions. I'm sure
they are heavily infiltrated.
RENSE: Mm hm.
FULFORD: But I do not believe
the entire institution is corrupted. But I don't know. I'm not
a Catholic. My parents are atheist, I am agnostic. [Actually]
I'm not agnostic; I believe God is too big to fit into any
particular religion.
RENSE: Well, you bet. I'll
second that. We're just about out of time, Ben. Anything you
want to leave us with on this visit tonight?
FULFORD: Yes. Just remember -
these people are for real and just remember. Get the eye.
That's the secret. Grab the eye and humanity will be free.
That's the message.
RENSE: All right. Thank you
very much, Ben Fulford, for being here. I look forward to
another conversation. If I can help you, let me know.
FULFORD: Thanks. It has been a
great honor.
RENSE: Thank you sir. Good
night.
FULFORD: Bye.
RENSE: Benjamin Fulford, live
from Tokyo. There's a conversation to remember. Do read Henry
Makow, Ph.D.'s article at <http://rense.com/>Rense.com. Just
think about it.
As I often say, there is a lot
to think about. And that is certainly something unique and
something I've not heard before.
[Bumper music]
Again, it merits revisiting
that probably more than a few of you out there are saying,
"Wouldn't that be nice if everything could change, with no one
having to die?"
Okay. We'll be back in 21
hours... (end)
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